From: Eric Flesch (eric@flesch.org)
Message 1 in thread
Subject: Entropy Pumpers -- from Black Holes to Quasars [Hyperstar Cosmology]
Newsgroups: sci.physics, sci.astro
Date: 1998/10/06

Entropy is held to be the death of the Universe.  It is said that some
day the Universe will be cold and dead, inhabited only by cold dark
matter.  But don't worry, they're wrong!

In fact, our Universe is a living pumping universe.  Entropy makes its
way eventually into black holes, which are the universe's trash can of
entropy.  Within the black holes the matter achieves a state of zero
time flow (in GR, maximum gravity = zero time) and drops out of our
universe into the hypersphere beyond.  From this region of zero time
the matter precipitates, via geysers and radiation, back into our
universe.  These geysers are the quasars, spouting matter back into
our universe with essentially zero entropy.   Note that these are
local redshifted quasars (redshifted because they come from regions of
low/no time flow), not the distant monsters of Standard Theory.

This weather system cleans the entropy from our universe.  Once time
is nullified in the heart of the black holes, the laws of entropy are
lost, the matter sinks into the hypersphere, and then slowly
re-emerges into our universe (since the matter has left the black
hole, it is no longer crushed by gravity, so bobs back up).

That's the plumbing of the static universe.  Flush & re-use.   :-)

Eric Flesch


From: Chris Sorenson (csoren@isd.net)
Message 2 in thread
Subject: Re: Entropy Pumpers -- from Black Holes to Quasars [Hyperstar Cosmology]
Newsgroups: sci.physics, sci.astro
Date: 1998/10/06

Eric Flesch wrote:

> Entropy is held to be the death of the Universe.

More accurately, the "heat-death" of the Universe. But then using the word
"death" is an unenlightened anthropomorphism. You seem to have made
something of a study of these issues. You realize that your assertions
fall entirely into the category of "wild hypotheses," (as opposed to
physics) right?

> It is said that some day the Universe will be cold and dead, inhabited
> only by cold dark
> matter.  But don't worry, they're wrong!
>
> In fact, our Universe is a living pumping universe.  Entropy makes its
> way eventually into black holes, which are the universe's trash can of
> entropy.

I'm not sure entropy can "make it's way into black holes", since entropy
is merely a mathematical construct used to quantify the state of disorder
of a system...

> Within the black holes the matter achieves a state of zero
> time flow (in GR, maximum gravity = zero time) and drops out of our
> universe into the hypersphere beyond.

Time stops only from the vantage point of a distant observer. Observers
actively falling into the black hole would not notice anything obscure
happening on their clocks. Do you have a mathematical description of this
"hypershere" that lies beyond the event horizon? You realize, of course,
that the current understanding of physics has made no coherent attempt at
this...

> From this region of zero time
> the matter precipitates, via geysers and radiation, back into our
> universe.  These geysers are the quasars, spouting matter back into
> our universe with essentially zero entropy.   Note that these are
> local redshifted quasars (redshifted because they come from regions of
> low/no time flow), not the distant monsters of Standard Theory.
>

I'm not sure I understand how the time dilation within the event horizon
of a black hole can cause the red shift of a quasar, even if the quasar
itself is somehow channeling matter from the innards of a black hole.
Again, a mathematical description of this process would be of benefit!
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From: Eric Flesch (eric@flesch.org)
Message 3 in thread
Subject: Re: Entropy Pumpers -- from Black Holes to Quasars [Hyperstar Cosmology]
Newsgroups: sci.physics, sci.astro
Date: 1998/10/06

On Tue, 06 Oct 1998 01:55:48 -0500, Chris Sorenson wrote:
> You realize that your assertions
>fall entirely into the category of "wild hypotheses," (as opposed to
>physics) right?

I've included the phrase "Hyperstar Cosmology" in the header to
indicate that it is a variant cosmology, yes.  I've previously posted
an earlier version.  It's in development but maturing, I think.

> Do you have a mathematical description of this "hypershere"
>that lies beyond the event horizon? You realize, of course, that the
>current understanding of physics has made no coherent attempt at this...

Yes, the dynamics of what happens inside the black hole are unknown.
I suspect black holes have internal structures leading eventually to
the exit of matter from our universe, probably in whirling eddies like
bathtub water going down the drain.  As for the hypersphere, I'll post
a non-mathematical description shortly.  I'm only in the hand-waving
stage...   :-(

>I'm not sure I understand how the time dilation within the event horizon
>of a black hole can cause the red shift of a quasar, even if the quasar
>itself is somehow channeling matter from the innards of a black hole.

No, the matter exits the black hole.  The hypersphere is not inside
the black hole.  Instead, the universe defines a surface of the
hypersphere.  This will be elaborated shortly in a posting titled
"Hypatia".

>Again, a mathematical description of this process would be of benefit!

Darn right!  Thanks for reading.

Eric Flesch


From: C. Hillman (optimist@u.washington.edu)
Message 4 in thread
Subject: Re: Entropy Pumpers -- from Black Holes to Quasars [Hyperstar Cosmology]
Newsgroups: sci.physics, sci.astro
Date: 1998/10/06

On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Eric Flesch wrote:

> Entropy is held to be the death of the Universe.  It is said that some
> day the Universe will be cold and dead, inhabited only by cold dark
> matter.  But don't worry, they're wrong!

Chris Sorenson has already pointed out the many gaping holes in what Eric
says after this, but I thought I'd add my comments, which are pretty
similar.

> In fact, our Universe is a living pumping universe.  Entropy makes its
> way eventually into black holes, which are the universe's trash can of
> entropy.  Within the black holes the matter achieves a state of zero
> time flow (in GR, maximum gravity = zero time)
             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Anyone who has studied a
gtr textbook will recognize that Eric has rather misunderstood the nature
of gravitational time dilation, not to mention the geometry of black
holes.  (Not to mention black hole thermodynamics and the nature of
entropy in general.)

> and drops out of our universe into the hypersphere beyond.

This is what Eric says, but for the record, it is not what gtr says.  (Gtr
doesn't really say anything about what happens to matter which has
impacted a singularity.  Most physicists believe that gtr breaks down very
near curvature singularities, and no one knows what happens then.  As
always, I stress that gtr remains valid in the vicinity (inside and out)
of the typical event horizon of a typical solar mass or supermassive
black hole.)

> From this region of zero time the matter precipitates, via geysers and
> radiation, back into our universe.  These geysers are the quasars,
> spouting matter back into our universe with essentially zero entropy. 
> Note that these are local redshifted quasars (redshifted because they
> come from regions of low/no time flow), not the distant monsters of
> Standard Theory.

Again, this seems to be more a product of Eric's imgination than a viable
physical theory.  Decades ago, the idea that quasars might represent
"white holes" (time reversed black holes, if you like) was popular, though
it was always obvious (IMHO) this didn't make much more sense than
postulating mysterious focused spherical waves of EM radiation
comopressing to an electron, which then moves around in response ;-/
Ironically, these days the most popular idea is that quasars (or active
galactic nuclei) represent the death throes of stuff falling into
supermassive black holes.

> This weather system cleans the entropy from our universe.  Once time
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